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  1. This was perhaps one of the top five episodes of the entire series in terms of psychology and character development. Raven, when I get a little time, I'll give you further perspective on this episode. V
  2. Nonetheless, I am unsure why Baldwin was added in the third season....I grew to like Roedecker of sorts (even though I thought he was a useless add) but Baldwin is just a meddlesome goof and the show would have been a lot better without him; although I guess you do need that meddling co-worker who thinks he is always right and tries to show up the female protagonist. V
  3. Modern Day; I think the fact that Frank steps back (initially) and considers alternate possibilities than her psychosis is very in line with his character throughout all 3 seasons; Frank always takes time to ponder alternates and possibilities, even if on the face of it, they are untenable. In this case, his step back originally may reflect his underlying compassion for the evil he tracks and connects with much like he turned out the lights at the end of The Thin White Line. Frank I think has a subthreshold underlying compassion for those who evil has penetrated. This may represent his character as seeing evil as dynamic in the sense that, yes, it will permeate the earth, but that WHO it permits is dependent on a dynamic interplay between initial starting conditions and subsequent dynamic interactions (i.e., environmental events). I dont' see this as a flaw as much as you here, although the point is well taken. This is an interesting point Modern. I think you are astute in your assertion that Frank demonstrates a more casual crudeness, and I do agree on this--as a matter of fact, it has made me reflect greatly on one other element I might mention here. In Saturn Dreaming of Mercury, Frank lets Jordan ride outside, in the dark, alone when he goes in to answer the phone (or make a call I can't remember). This is TOTALLY out of personality for Frank as portrayed in prior episodes. Thus, we have a major linear gap in personality presentation which needs to be tightened. Character development must be linear and lawful and in this case it wasn't. I concur with you on the above point, but may suggest that after so many cases and so many dead bodies etc. etc. that Frank was simply demonstrating sensitization and trying to inject humor where it otherwise wouldn't be. However, as you point out, I am not sure if it fits at this exact point. That said, it is a bit more explainable than him letting Jordan ride the bike outside, by herself, in the dark. V-
  4. The brilliance of this episode lies not necessarily in its presentation of the relationships between Emma and Baldwin and Frank, but rather in the dynamic presentation of Cass which opens the window into so much of what Milliennium was about. Forget the consipracy aspect (even though it wasn't a conspiracy in the end). The presentation of Cass's pathology and its relevance to understand order in chaos are all hinted at. In this episode, there is clear reference to dynamical systems [chaos] elements with reference to the Butterfly effect. I think the writers and producers, including Carter himself, must have had some general understanding of this rather complex theory, because it is hinted at indirectly in many episodes. In essence, I think what Millennium as a show was trying to do was hint at the fact that even seemingly chaotic, nonlinear, seemingly unrelated events can be shown to have lawful order (recall Emma's father's oragami in the form of kalidescope fractals (fractals are one result of dynamical systmes and iterations). You also have attachment struggle deep rooted in the pathology that Cass carries with her...at some level, abandonment and disruption of the implicit protective function of the biological parent(s) carries non-linear consequences to some degree. I am still in the process of collecting my thoughts on this episode, but these are some that will be the fulcrum on which a further larger thread are built. Not to mention that the presentation of Cass' pathology, which can indeed be conceptualized as a deep personality distrubance--in the form of disorganized mental representations of others and unresolved trauma (fear without solution) is portrayed very well with narcissistic components that serve to reinforce the identity of a deeply framgented and fractured self...In a sense, Cass represents what Frank could become if he lets go of his defensive mechanisms of aloneness and emotional bluntness, perhaps not necessarily in all behavioral patterns (e.g., violent homicide and fetish) but rather in the compensatory mechanism of enmeshment and fear of abandonment.
  5. Darwin's eye...now that may be the best episode, in content and form, of SIII and perhaps of the series in my mind; I have much more to say about this episode very soon...
  6. Fourth, your commentary on the history of Lucy Butler is quite thought-provoking indeed. I will attempt in a matter of a few lines to offer my expostulation of the matter. I begin with an aside...the name Robert Ferry and the fact that he was a gay male struck a chord with me and I wonder if the last name was an intentional pun or a mere oversight. However, given the attention to detail in the rest of the series one has to wonder.... Regarding our lamia Lucy Butler. I can certainly find insight into your ideations regarding the use of the female hormones in the Pittsburgh motel. However, if we assume that Lucy planted them, then the obvious question becomes "from whom did she get them." That is, ostensibly, particularly given the current storyline and historical arc of Lucy Butler, she either a)killed a pregnant woman, or b)used her supernatural powers to get them in a non-homicidal yet nonetheless deviant manner. My conceptualization of Lucy Butler revolves around the concept of the succubus (vide supra) and possesses a dualism in that such powers serve to promulgate two central threads--one central to the MM emotional-relational arc. First, the concept of Lucy sapping the energy and good spirit from any and all individuals with whom she comes into contact with--that is emptying the good and replacing it with evil. This would be obvious role of the succubus in illustrating the power of evil and its associated temptations (particularly that with a sexual element and this is again hinted at in all 3 seasons). Second, and more crucial to what I perceive to be Carter's vision, was the tacit point that Frank's gift required a level of isolation and emotional seclusion that was not compatible with reciprocal human attachment (note this excludes his relationship with Jordan since she does not provide him in a reciprocal fashion). The issue of Frank's inability to effectively manage his gift and his relationship with Catherine, as well as his failure to conquer evil---but in the form of a female figure Lucy Butler--suggest a fundamental problem of coexistence of a man's gift and the need for reciprocal attachment [romantic] relationships. That is, Lucy, in addition to reflecting Legion, also reflects the inherent polarities of human genius and attachment. Frank can't coexist with Catherine and he can't defeat Legion--who ironically, throughout the series, is portrayed predominately and most poignantly in female form. If we accept that Frank can't defeat this female portrayal of Legion, we also must accept that his gift can't co-exist, to the degree it operates on, with a meaningful reciprocal attachment. We have seen this theme repeated in several great pieces of literary and cinematic work. It is this subthreshold struggle, of Frank trying to make his relationship with Catherine work, of trying to defeat the female legion that disables (to some degree) his gift, that permeate the human struggle that Carter portrays. While I accept, ab ovo, that the key element of Lucy's presentation was as Legion, it is this subtreshold element of struggle, and its reflection of Frank's central struggle that are more poignant and emotionally moving for me. V
  7. 4th, Stranger et al. I appreciate your feedback, and I realize that philosophical banterings on what we believe the meaning of things to be are just that---our opinions and conceptualizations. Keep in mind that such conjectures reveal much about the person who penned them. However, I will remain steadfast in my general understanding of what MM brought most poignantly to the table. In my candid opinion, I feel that some get too emotionally involved in tangenital elements of the show and so get swept away into magical lands of groups, allegiances, pacts, conspiracy, etc. Indeeed, even the element of evil can be integrated into the above conceptualizations without going down 'magical' lanes that take us far from what I believe the epicenter to be. It was the rawness of the show--the juxtaposition of hope and chaos, utopia and hell that made it brilliant. Romanticized notions are placed next to the realization of evil and in so doing, the writers make it obvious that all the struggles, all the raw emotions that are the human condition are a fusion of these opposing elements. Without one, the other does not exist. Without the chaos of evil, a romanticized perfect world can not exist. V> As as aside, the avatar reveals the source and part of the inspiration for my handle. The music that has inspired a decade + of identity for me. I'm on my 8th night of no power. I have begun to lose all hope; I am one of the last ones to get it back. It is frustrating and a test of my sanity. VV
  8. cf. The Fall of the House of Usher by Poe. Similarity in concept and symbolism. According to Carter et al., a central theme of the house was that is was the "sine qua non" of hope for not just the Black family, but also a reservoir of faith for those to believe in the goodness and nostalgic qualties of the nuclear family unit. The ripping apart of these romanticized notions symbolizes the loss of hope, a theme congruent with the intended image of the collapsing lady in the culvert in the shows intro. In this sense then, the show portrays--as a central thematic element across all 3 seasons--not group sects and transformations and allegiances as some would like to believe, but rather issues much more fundamental to the human condition including the aforementioned 'hope' as the epicenter of all subsequent life meaning. After all, without hope (which is a broad yet rich term encompassing future aspirations, desires, and plans) there is nothing. Additional issues that are relevant include being alone, but not lonely, and of course, the dualistic nature of good and evil. IMO, any future work that extends MM, MUST focus not on tangenital and peripheral aspects of group sects and allegiances and conspiracy, but rather on the fundamental and central aspects of the human condition. This, in IMO, is what Carter, and even M&W were trying to explicate. They used groups and sects and angels and demons to convey this--as vehicles--including the yellow house. cf. Lacann Rilke Winnicott VV
  9. This represents both the central question and the potential slippery slope.
  10. This would then assume that the 'devil' in whatever manifestation or spirituality you perceive it to be, has the capacity to transcend the same boundaries that 'God' did in allowing Mary to conceive as a virgin. As such, we thus fall onto an interesting, yet very slippery slope. V
  11. may well have been the best acting vignettes in the entire series. perhaps the best one.
  12. A daunting endeavor indeed Maxx. BOL I have been considering a similar yet divergent approach, which will be forthcoming. V>
  13. There is a good exegesis of what 'she' was over on Sarah Jane Redmond's cite; I urge all to review this; essentially, she was an incarnation of Legion, but as 4th points out, it's the polymorphous nature of her character, and the fact that we can mold her to what we 'perceive' that makes her so special. VV
  14. Good day [or night] MM peepz, I watched the above episode last evening going through my SIII progressions. One thing I noticed, perhaps inadvertendly, is the cemetary in which Lanyard is buried is the same one featured in MNOC....the same lake behind the cemetary...anyone know where in Vancouver this cemetary is, or what lake that is behind it? (See Chrisnu's captures for a beautiful capture of this). Further, I was curious about relevant commentary regarding this episode, as it seems to bring SII full force into the identity of SIII; perhaps the beginning of the end of the series, as Watts lays the seeds with Hollis. Thoughts, commentary please V>
  15. Exactly. Sometimes words are not necessary to convey both depth and resonance to relationships. Indeed, kinesthetics, a delayed look, a brief smile of the face, a brief raise of hand....all these component systems can give rise to a much more powerful meaning than can words.
  16. Most clearly; as noted many times, Carter mentions Se7en as an strong influence on MM. Vv
  17. For me this episode was very well done, and as Fourth and others point out, there are many sedimented references and links to aspects of the shows fundamental themes that will keep one drawing linkages and possibilities long after its initial viewing. The obvious ones like the snake as Satan were well done even if cliche. The succubus aspect, is for me the most important element in this episode, and I think is a key to explaining a great deal of at least one of the show's overarching linking elements. This element is the inability to possess a gift and use it often and to its maximal capacity while simultaneously becomming attached (good or bad). We have discussed Frank and Catherine's relationship at length, and perhaps it is time to revisit this. In the case of Antipas, Frank walks the fine line between becomming attached to the capture and understanding of the demonic Lucy Butler while at the same time acknowledging that "she will never be dead" or more succinctly [evil will always be alive]. The end sequence of Lucy in the hospital was great acting by Sarah Jane Redmond in particular, harkening me back to memories of Naomi Watts in 21 Grams. The reference to Jordan as a source of 'fear' for Frank is excellent. One must remember here though that the relationship between Jordan and Frank is non-reciprocal. That is, Frank is responsible for Jordan's safety and well-being, growth and development. Jordan, as a child, is not expected to act in a reciprocal fashion to Frank (that would invert to some degree the parent-child relationship which is non-reciprocal). This does not represent a reciprocal relationship in which partners share with each other---this is the type of relationship that Frank can't manage while maximizing and using his gift (cf. Rilke thread in 'Heart of Darkness'). The issue of Lucy Butler, and the confrontation with Evil--the most basic element of this show--are perfect fodder for the MM movie. Any movie done would be stupid not to expand on this good-vs-evil matchup. It includes all the relevant aspects of the show in terms of murder, mayham, religion while avoiding dicey aspects of the show which may have been tangenital escapades down dead-end streets (e.g., group origins, confrontations etc.).
  18. Welcome aboard chagrin I am down 95 in SouthTown. Vv
  19. Quick question here after watching Collateral Damage; In Season II, we are clearly led to beleive that Watts and his family reside in the Seatlle area, as Frank is there during MNOC; however, here, we see Watts' family in what what seem to be the Metro-DC area (probably VA); so, did he too move back to the DC metro area after the Seattle climax of things? -or did i simply miss something easy Vv
  20. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective) we don't get much of a fall or winter down here in Miami. It's this time of the year which makes me ponder whether I'll stay here after I finish my degree. That said, it is a gorgeous city. When I was in upstate NY, there was clearly an effect of SAD due to the constant flux of gray days. Vv But yes, I would concur that MM would be amazing with the leaves turning outside.
  21. This is most indeed the case.......I just happened to randomly watch this episode again this evening, and boy, do we see harbingers of SII in this one............it provides excellent reappraisal for me. [Gehenna that is]; Indeed, the seeming incongruity or non-linearity of SII may have not been that non-linear at all. Indeed, there are direct connections with "A Room" in that the concept of "numbers" and that being all we are, is brought forth for the first time.......................................................
  22. Modern -agreed.......not one of my "gem" episodes, but certainly not as pitiable as it was rated on the Abyss---certainly much better than 13 years and Jose Chung's--...it was an average episode, much like Siren.......some interesting symbolism throughout.
  23. RE: Human Essence. There were some cheese elements, but holistically, I would much rather re-watch this episode than say Jose Chungs, 13 years, and Somehow in that order.........I would have to say that Human Essence is comparable to Siren in more ways than one.......sort of a mid to lower level type episdoe.
  24. As an aside, just completed Human Essence.......and while although not a gem of the series, certainly much better than Jose Chung or 13 years.
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