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Jabbapop

Millennium Group Initiates
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  1. New Homes

    Although this is TV and we understand how these things work, I thought it was in universe a little too convenient that after Frank loses everyone, he just happens to gain this partner, or could we even call her "Work wife." I like to imagine that the spirit of Catherine from beyond the grave called Emma Hollis to Frank to give him support. Definitely adds a little bit of layer to the cake!
  2. What I find weird is the character of Samiel in Bartered time is played by the actor Eric Mabius, while the character of Mabius is played by actor Bob Wilde. Trivial, I know, but still a little confusing. :-X
  3. I like the characterizations explored in this episode, as well as the convergence of certain story bits (marburg virus, millenium style executions from skull and bones), but there was also a lot that became problematic for me. In the penultimate episode of season 2, we are shown the Marburg virus acting almost instantaneously; who can forgot that macabre Mother's day family dinner as the chickens fly the coop? Here, however, the virus acts at a glacial pace, conveniently fitting in enough suspense for the story beats to act out. We can justify this in universe as a variant on the virus, but clearly the explanation is apparent: the timing was jimmied to fit the needs of the episode pacing. Another thing that bugged me was the further nefariousness of the Millennium group. Not only are they performing mass executions, but testing chemical agents on American soldiers. In season 2 we were introduced to the Old Man, who seemed like a right old dude. I can't believe he was approving all of these things, but they happened on his watch, so do we then believe he was simply ignorant of all this skulduggery? The factionalism of the Owls and the Roosters was kids gloves compared to the truly evil stuff they're revealed to have been doing in season 3. It seems like such a moot point, a petty argument whether the millennium is religious or scientific when they're otherwise occupied with this insane nefarious violence. AND ANOTHER THING! How did the evil dude who was with Watts (is that Mabius? They haven't said his name yet and he seems so much like a grunt) get away with sniping the military dude. The FBI is gonna want to know where the bullet came from that grazed their suspect. It strains credulity to imagine that when Peter Watts is asked that they're going to accept it was just Elmer Fudd hunting wabbits. It's not a difficult inference for law enforcement to make that it was a Millennium group operative taking the law into his own hands. But is there no fallout? Anywho, script could have been tighter, but I like seeing Watts explored deeper, and Frank navigating the politics of this case.
  4. Howdy Folks

    I think there's something you bring up that begs a differing perspective. When you say the group approaches people at their weakest time, it sounds as if you mean that they prey on peoples vulnerability, as if it makes them more salient to joining the group. I think it's for quite another reason: they group wants to see a prospective member at a weak point, to see if they can be trusted to have strength of character to overcome difficult situations. For example, in Dead Letters, the prospective member Jim Horn is in a situation similar to what Frank would be in. His response of clouded judgement and volatility proved to the group he was unfit for candidacy. I've just finished Collateral Damage, but in this overlap of motifs, family members being endangered and what have you, you've got to admire Peter Watt's ability to keep his cool. One wonders the exact details of a difficult time, if any, the Group approached him at for candidacy. In the S2 finale eps he mentions a case of finding a baby decapitated in a cooler, the horrifying presence and irrationality of evil starting to get to him. If the group truly has become evil, the tragedy of Watt's has got to be his strength in walking this tight path.
  5. Skull and Bones

    Thanks Earthnut! I realize I might have to check myself a bit... Sometimes I race here after watching an episode just to vent. :-p I find myself doing that a lot more in Season 3, but after wading through previous posts here I tend to cool off a bit... That being said, I'm with you on trying to appreciate each season for its unique approach.
  6. Skull and Bones

    In seasons 1 and 2 the group's involvement in taking cases almost always seemed "exploratory." They took on cases which signaled a nefarious evil or apocalyptic flair and dove right in. In season 3 now it seems like all they're interested in doing is manipulating law enforcement to cover their trails. Granted, this is the furthest I've gotten so far, but I'd have liked to see an episode where Agent Hollis and Mr Black are investigating a case that Peter Watts shows up on because it happens to be truly, to quote Giebelhouse, "milleniumistic." (Speaking of which, it was nice seeing Giebs again in Teotwawki.) This shift of having the millenium group only show up to do something nefarious is a bit too sneering-villain thick. I'm not saying that I can't accept the sinister angle of the group; it's just that now they're only shown doing sinister things, and it can't be the case that now that's all they do. A group doesn't do a 180 in mission statement just because of a change in management.
  7. I've yet to get to season 3... Just finished "Room with No View" episode and it got me back to thinking precisely to the Gehenna episode. There is a common plot thread of "authority figures" taking advantage of vulnerable persons to groom them into doing there bidding. Lucy Butler was shown using extreme tactics by abducting adolescents, but equally demonic characters are shown recruiting in their own ways. The Judge in season 1 took ex-cons under his wings, and yes, the Ricardo Clement guy in "Gehenna" had a method down pat too: inculcating a gang mentality into economically vulnerable young men with drugs and money. In terms of verisimilitude, there must always be the question of how the Legion or any other Malevolent leaders get their pawns to do their bidding, and Ricardo does appear to be doing similar things as Legion related characters. Whether he was an incarnation of Legion is anyone's guess, but I can't help but think the show creators had this M.O. on their minds. Can't wait to see this Mabius figure in season 3. Don't want to get involved in the outdated flame war of reusing actors, but can't let pass the crazy reuse I noticed... The "devilish" father of the man who abducted Frank's sister-in-law in Sacrament also reappears as a cop in season 2 "Monster." He has such a unique face that he was immediately recognizable, and I couldn't help but imagine some kind of zany convoluted twist. Of course there were no indications in the episode outside of the actor to think that, so it wasn't too heavy, but I couldn't help chuckle at the irony of the former episode's extreme evil and the latter's perfunctory lawfulness.
  8. Owls/Roosters

    Sorry to be posting what like 12 years later, but I just finished these episodes on DVD and I've gotta take a moment to vent/gag. This episode pair for me encapsulates the conflict between season 1 and season 2. Season 1 was all about casting a sense of verisimilitude into the horrifying nature of evil, attempting to confront the limits of an understand with a solid grounding. Frank had a gift, true, but it was always described as approachable as possible to those around him. We were shown the reality around which he saw, so the supernatural seemed to blur with the real. Now we go to the season 2, and it's so much surface symbolisms, visions and ghosts, high adventure. Things don't feel "real." The whole nazi plotline is the icing on the cake; it could have been something out of Indiana Jones. Yes, I understand there is historical groundings for "Secret Societies," and it's no surprise that eventually a group like Millennium might come into conflict in this. It just doesn't feel very "Milleniuministic." Season 1 was so much about confronting evil, whereas season 2 feels like confronting high concept writing aspirations. If the story didn't tell us that the villains were nazis it would be really difficult to see them as evil. Where is the psychology in this which Frank went to such great lengths to explain to the professionals around him? Millennium Group was such a plausible professional consulting group with hints of an "Advanced Division" in season 1, and right off the bat season 2 they're just spouting cult lines "This is Who We Are" every moment a member is on screen! Anywho, the morning coffee has yet to filter through my veins, and I ate a whole pizza last night and I'm feeling like garbage this morning so I might be gluten intolerant. Excuse the circular reasoning. :)
  9. What does it mean, to play God? Surely, if just a game, its players deserve reprieve on the day of judgement. Sometimes they accuse those egg-head scientists of being abstracted... Is it all simply a game of Sudoku to them? Can they not see the souls being conjured and flushed down the spiritual toilet by their jiggering of the handle? But who are we to think we have that power? If there is a God, nothing we can do will ever supplant Such's authority.... At the very least, these scientists should be sent to "spiritual sensitivity" training... At the most, given a grant to clone the greats of the Hollywood Golden age... Bogart, Garbo, Peck, Gardner. *Tips cap to a cloned Bogie* "Here's looking at you, kid."
  10. New Homes

    I realize I may have been confusing. By "a house off Zillow" I don't mean to refer to a street, but the real estate website... which didn't exist at the time of the show, so I'm being a bit loose and anachronistic in attempting to come up with some kind of story for how Frank acquired the second house (But isn't that more fun that keeps on giving, interpreting the show by the world we now live in?)
  11. I just finished "The Curse of Frank Blank," and seeing the big yellow house (kind of evokes currents of curious george's man in the yellow hat, now that I type it!) in such a bare state, it made me think of the characters' living states. Of course, I knew Frank moved to a new place, and I remember Catherine said she was staying with friends. One of the boys in the basement on Halloween mentioned hearing the"story" from the mother of one of the neighborhood kids, so presumably Catherine is staying with someone nearby? It was odd, this episode really highlighted it, we've never seen the characters interact in this setting; Jordan appears to go trick or treating without anyone picking her up or dropping her off. (Not to fault the tight atmosphere of this episode, it just brought to mind....) The house Frank is staying in... did he buy a new one? Renting? For a moment I considered, when Frank was having childhood flashbacks, that it may have even been a family house. When Frank receives the "vision" from smoking hell dude, he appears sitting on a trunk. A newly obtained house wouldn't have such an item stored away up there: the previous owners would have removed their property, and the new owner/resident wouldn't have had time, energy, or care to trundle it up in that space... In S1 "Broken World," Frank reveals in response to the horse doctor's question that he himself is also a rider. Does he own a horse at a stable? Ah, the elusive resources of Frank Black. I realize all these concerns can be resolved rather mundanely; Catherine decides to move with a friend for support and help with her child, Frank rents a house off Zillow. Still, the details are taken for granted to just such a degree and without any narrative acknowledgement (thus far) that one can't help to try and fill in the blanks.
  12. Howdy Folks

    Thanks for the warm welcome! I don't think I've ever posted here before, but I do remember checking some of the site content. Had to skip over the last paragraph of your reply @The Old Man. Don't want to spoil the rewatch. :-p It is interesting, thus far, the way the story elements in S1 integrate into the storytelling of S2, despite the shift in focus/tone. Frank working with the prospective Millennium candidate going thru a divorce on the Dead Letters almost harkens forward to the difficulties Frank will have in his marriage. The muffled secrecy of Frank's pager and making careful to keep his family separate from his work, to the point of meeting Peter Watts outside the home early on hint at even greater schisms in season 2. (So far, it even seems like the Millenium group is benefiting from Frank's family problems! Contrast that with the offers of employment from "Legion," who promise family security and safety to Frank in exchange for his occupational efforts!) Not quite a "serial drama" we're so used to, like with Breaking Bad, but there is definitely that attention to continuity and consistency between episodes in how the characters act. The show is doing a good job of creating interest and mystery while parceling out "definites" like bread crumbs. (This is a Chris Carter show after all!)
  13. Hey. Hi. I remember coming to this site like ten years ago or so when the show was on syndication on fx, watching weirdly ordered smattering of episodes, never quite picking up on the continuity of the mythos. So now I got them DVDs loaded up on the big screen, kick back and watch Frank Black trek the future past. I'm currently on the episode Monster I think, where Frank Black faces child abuse in a personal sense.... The ending of that ep, oohboy. I thought the greatest schism between S1 and S2 was just how manipulative and creepy the Millenium group is presented... it's really just so sudden; although there is a lot of continuity. It's just the tone shift that's so sudden. Anywho, I love to post and I'm sure I can choo choo across the train tracks like nobody's business!
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