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[Guest 19:19]

i was working today and an employee was reading the new stuff magazine with the girl from Jag on it and he showed me this story.

the police arrested this man who kidnapped a girl and stuck her in an old fall-out shelter he had underground in his basement.

For 3 months he rapped her and beat her. he would make her read bible quotes and when he left her alone he made her listen to a tape of girls screaming. after a while he would let them go and claimed that he was a cop and the cops were in on it and if they told anyone he would kill her and her family.

the thing is, he did this to at least 5 women that most went to the cops and they wouldn't believe them. this just reminded me so much of millennium that i thought i should share it.

19:19

[Guest se7en]

....that disturbingly reminds of many incidences in Jon Karakauer's new book titled: "UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN:A STORY OF VIOLENT FAITH",which is a chilling history of the mormon faith,and how various fundamentalists spinoffs.like the "UEP" came to be after the LDS-(latter day saints)- got rid of the plural marriage dictom. the core of this story is the murder of a mother and her girl by the Lafferty brothers,the elder victims sister in law,and the little girl's 2-own uncles,and how they were,in 1984,and are now,convinced that god told them to "terminate" them for interfering in "god's divine plan" to reunite the mormom church,with the tenent of plural marrige reinstated,and set the church "right" for the last days.-(proponents of plural marriage often take "brides" as young as 12-years old and force themselves on them with the threat of eternal damnation,and at times death,is they refused or resisted)- A lot of the by products of this faith,especially the fundamentalist sects,remind somewhat of the story you relate. in many instances in utah and the surrounding states,most of the police and laywers and judges were hardcore mormites with the end result that these communities continue to flourish,and practice plural marriage,and the resulting sickenning pedophilia/rape is simply "allowed" to continue wiht little/no chance of prosecution.  

       

        ....this book,wwhich i am almost through with,has been VERY chilling and worrisome to myself. that this kind of outright disregard of federal laws,and just the general laws of human decency, against plural marriage/rape/pedophelia and intermarriage is not only active,but barely hidden,is very disturbing,not to mention DISGUSTING. and no one seems capable or interested in stopping it,not even our government,present and past included.              

       

          ....as with anything else i only hope that someone,or some family,contemplating a switch of religions,that's it's certainly in your's,and your families,best interests to learn/read all about it "before" they join. "independent" views/books,etc. sometimes,a person just can never know what they are getting into.  ...sadly,it seems people switch religions and the like as though they were just a new pair of underware.

         

          ...that story you posted is very disturbing as is the countless sordid ones i have read in this book.     ...i certainly recomend,VERY HIGHLY,this book to anyone interested in educating themselves on the ever-increasing rise of fundamentalism in this country and the devestating effects it has on those around,or in the way,of them,especially the children.

        ..on a slightly different note: i sometimes wonder if "MM" would have takcled the explosion/implosion of the catholic church which began about 18-mos. after it was cancelled. my hunch tells me that they would not have flinched or shied away from such issues.

                                        ~se7en  

[Guest metlakatla]

I definately second that recomendation on Under the Banner.

[Guest se7en]

I definately second that recomendation on Under the Banner.

.....just out of curiosity,were you aware of the back-history of this religion? i knew the very basic things but had NO IDEA what a quasi-militant-(for lack of a better term)-that they were/are. especialy shocking were the countless "hit-jobs" through out and especially in the 70's/80's.  i simply had no idea before reading this...................................??

                                              ~PEACE,

                                                       se7en

[Guest Wellington]

on a slightly different note: i sometimes wonder if "MM" would have takcled the explosion/implosion of the catholic church which began about 18-mos. after it was cancelled. my hunch tells me that they would not have flinched or shied away from such issues.

Hi

What are you refering to? I think I am missing the whole picture by focusing on details, but as I watched (in a sense, of course) this church during my (too - I think, but that is another story) long time spent with it, and although my life time is too short for now for me to even try an enlightened opinion about it (will I ever get to that point?), I think this church in its nowadays form is not MM matter for any good. Since it reached the plebeian level in the 60s, it lost a good deal of appeal for scenario.

Regards

[Guest se7en]

Hi

What are you refering to? I think I am missing the whole picture by focusing on details, but as I watched (in a sense, of course) this church during my (too - I think, but that is another story) long time spent with it, and although my life time is too short for now for me to even try an enlightened opinion about it (will I ever get to that point?), I think this church in its nowadays form is not MM matter for any good. Since it reached the plebeian level in the 60s, it lost a good deal of appeal for scenario.

Regards

........Hi Wellington.........it was regarding the now near worldwide exposure of the church hiding and protecting pedophile priests and the resulting uncovering of the epidemic of child-sexual abuse that has been uncovered throughout the entire church structure over,"at least",the past 130-years according to so-called-"classified" church documents seized by authorities here in the states,canada,and now ireland,italy,france and germany and numerous other countries. the catholic church is still reeling in a financial/membership crises since this,FINALLY,exploded in late 2000.  

     .....the depths of depravity,and abuse of power, in this scandal are amazing to behold. some,like myself,doubt that the church will ever fully recover from this.........it sure as hell "shouldn't" ever be forgotten in my view.

        ...and continuing to this day: priests,and just 2-months ago another bishop here in vermont,were exposed in the covering up of child sexual abuse by,sickenningly,shuffling pedophile preists from parish to parish,and even going so far as to send some pedophile preists over the border to quebec parishes. -(this scumbag bishop,whose name escapes me,resides in the border town of "swanton",i beleive.)   sick-evil men in power doing sick-evil things to children......and thier families.

                                          ~se7en

[Guest Wellington]

Hi

OK, now I get the picture!  

Although it would be completely simplistic to think that these things are only a recent problem (in fact it must have been worse before churches and states fully separated), I would say that it is more on the implosion side. If even clergymen cannot abide by their own laws, those they chose and deliberately put upon themselves, there is little help for the entire church system. Unless they get a more radical leader who would start another kind of inward-turned "inquisition", they will find hard to restore the level of confidence they once had.

I think it is a pity, because if not anyone is cut out to be a soldier, it looks like it takes a good deal of personal qualities to make a spiritual guide. Now that they are almost totally harmless, they could even work efficiently to the evolution of society through their teaching. But that is another story I think will not be unveiled to our generation...

Regards

[Guest LauraKrycek]

If anyone here wants to know anything about the true history of the Mormon church and its founders\members, I highly recommend https://www.exmormon.org.  My father, Mark "Randy" Jordan is one of the experts there on the Mormon religion, but he refuses to be published, saying that the information should be made available to anyone to read without having to pay for it.  To him, the rest of my family say, Publish!  We could make some money off this!  But no.  He's too noble for his own good.

Anyway, I was Mormon until I was 14, and it wasn't until then that my family knew even the simplest of things behind the Church.  The members operate under the belief that they are simply good Christians, like any other religion; it's mainly only those who are higher up on the ladder and have received the Priesthood who know all of the facts about the church -- but, of course, do not accept the horrible things (see "Mountain Meadows Massacre") as truth, but rather stories cooked up by those out to get the Church.  As soon as my father began discovering the dark secrets about the Church (being a man who had held the Priesthood and served for our church for many years), my parents immediately realized that we needed to get out of there as soon as possible.  So we did.  Now my religion, as I tell people, is Selfosophy, which I simply use as the title for my individual set of beliefs, none of which involve the three kingdoms of Heaven or living as one of a number of virgin wives on a planet given to our husband to populate with our seed.

Anyway, that's it for now... got to go do some schoolwork this minute.  But if anyone wants to know more about the Church and\or my experiences with, just ask and I'll hook you up.

[voidprime]

Laura, your Dad should publish.    I'm a true skeptic of any organized religion due to the power abuses in many religions by some in those religions throughout history.    Email me or post here about your experiences with the Mormons.  I want to hear more.    

On a lighter note, the Mormon church in my area makes me think someone needs to do a horror movie about a haunted Mormon church.

Have a better one.

be Seeing You,

David Blackwell

(who respects the beliefs of all as long as it does no harm to others or force their beliefs onto others)

[Guest se7en]

If anyone here wants to know anything about the true history of the Mormon church and its founders\members, I highly recommend https://www.exmormon.org.  My father, Mark "Randy" Jordan is one of the experts there on the Mormon religion, but he refuses to be published, saying that the information should be made available to anyone to read without having to pay for it.  To him, the rest of my family say, Publish!  We could make some money off this!  But no.  He's too noble for his own good.

Anyway, I was Mormon until I was 14, and it wasn't until then that my family knew even the simplest of things behind the Church.  The members operate under the belief that they are simply good Christians, like any other religion; it's mainly only those who are higher up on the ladder and have received the Priesthood who know all of the facts about the church -- but, of course, do not accept the horrible things (see "Mountain Meadows Massacre") as truth, but rather stories cooked up by those out to get the Church.  As soon as my father began discovering the dark secrets about the Church (being a man who had held the Priesthood and served for our church for many years), my parents immediately realized that we needed to get out of there as soon as possible.  So we did.  Now my religion, as I tell people, is Selfosophy, which I simply use as the title for my individual set of beliefs, none of which involve the three kingdoms of Heaven or living as one of a number of virgin wives on a planet given to our husband to populate with our seed.

Anyway, that's it for now... got to go do some schoolwork this minute.  But if anyone wants to know more about the Church and\or my experiences with, just ask and I'll hook you up.

.Laura...all the things you mention are chillingly recounted in this book,as well the behind the sences machinations of the church that LDS does not want people to know. i grew up around mormons a good part of my life and they were all really beautiful people. i wonder if they knew/know an inkling of joseph smith's "real" history/story as well as the obscene brigham young,who seemed to have much more to do with the meadows massacre than many thought.  undoubtedly your father is a free thinking man and it's great that he has compiled all this info on the church. Krakauer comes at  it from an agnostic,perhaps even atheistic, point of view and just "reports"-(with amazing writing)-what he has been able to discover/learn. the number of things in this book about LDS,joseph smith,etc. and the actions of this young religion truly astonished me. ....without getting into detail..if anyone is ever thinking of gong to british columbia,canada...........stay away from a town called "Bountiful".   i know i would.   ...thank you for the link laura :~)

                                      ~se7en