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Heres my 2 cents on Frank Black:

I believe he is sensitive and intuitive. He sees things from the minds of the killer. Frank is a part of the darkness in which he is a nexus with. You can see this in Satan Got Behind Me.....Pilot.....PPTD in which Frank sees them for who they are or they are able to pick up on Franks gift. Its like this, evil is drawn to Frank and Frank draws them out. My thing about gift/curse is that, if its a gift its from GOD. If he feels he is cursed it has evil orgins. To me its a gift but a burden. Frank has a huge responsibility and then got burned out, which lead him back to Seattle. He knows this is something he cant tuck away. The MM group wanted him. Lucifer used his dominions to lure him. He knows there is a great price that comes long with this gift.

THis is how Frank Black became a troubled hero. This is why i think he was a great character in TV history

If theres ever a revival for Frank Black it will or might be based on him dealing with the present day revelations. His fight against evil

your quote of his gift coming from God is along the lines of his soliloquy at the end of Seven and One....he realizes he has been given a gift of seeing into the darkness of men's mind and hearts...good point..

4th Horseman

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Heres my 2 cents on Frank Black:

I believe he is sensitive and intuitive. He sees things from the minds of the killer. Frank is a part of the darkness in which he is a nexus with. You can see this in Satan Got Behind Me.....Pilot.....PPTD in which Frank sees them for who they are or they are able to pick up on Franks gift. Its like this, evil is drawn to Frank and Frank draws them out. My thing about gift/curse is that, if its a gift its from GOD. If he feels he is cursed it has evil orgins. To me its a gift but a burden. Frank has a huge responsibility and then got burned out, which lead him back to Seattle. He knows this is something he cant tuck away. The MM group wanted him. Lucifer used his dominions to lure him. He knows there is a great price that comes long with this gift.

THis is how Frank Black became a troubled hero. This is why i think he was a great character in TV history

If theres ever a revival for Frank Black it will or might be based on him dealing with the present day revelations. His fight against evil

I think it can be argued either way, intuition and something beyond it; its one of inconsistancies of the show. On several occassions Frank says he "sees things", such as Walkabout, or Monster. In seasons 2 especially, with the increased referencing to the supernatural, it seems that the visions are just that, visions, rather than a visual representation for the viewer of what Franks thought processes are when he profiles. So his facility, his intuition, is increased over the series.

For any potential movie, it would need to be clarified that he isn't psychic (as Lance and Chris have always maintained), but has a unique perspective, one that Jordan has inherited, and one he can't ignore.

Guest Frank L.
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The fact that even we (we're hardcore fans after all) can't agree on what Franks gift really is, would suggest that, if there ever will be another movie, it has to be explained. At least a little bit.

i think his gift got stronger and stronger as the MilleniuM approached

That's a good point. But I doubt Chris Carter will explain Franks gift using God/Lucifer. You said what caused the nervous breakdown was his huge responsibility. That's probably true, but also the evil inside him. He has always been afraid of himself, because he knows he is also capable of the most horrible things, just like the people he's after. He snapped in The Beginning and The End. He didn't stop until he killed the Polaroid Man. For a minute, evil inside him took control. And with 'evil' I don't mean an external force, but that dark corner of the soul that everybody has in them. To quote Frank: what we know we can become only in our heart of darkness. In extreme situations. What is a serial killer? A normal person, where the evil side took control. Something triggered this. It can happen to anybody. Ofcourse Frank Black doesn't want to fall into darkness. But to use his gift he has to balance above good and evil.

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This battle between good & evil within ourselves seems to be a favored recurring theme. It also shows up in the 8th season of The X Files, when Mulder is explaining to John Doggett his feelings about evil. That he began to look at evil as a kind of disease....And that we all walk around thinking we're immune, but then something will happen....a tragedy...a loss....something, that will weaken our immune system, and we are able to be infected by evil.

I think that's a pretty accuracte way of looking at it. Both for the scientificly minded and the more spiritualy minded. (please forgive my spelling. too late at night for this)

Guest betweenthelines
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So, heres some of my suggestions to a potential background:

Frank Black now lives in Quantico, Virginia, with his daughter Jordan, now 18, under the name, Frank Marx (after David Marx, the name of his childhood friend who died). Frank writes articles on old cases under a third pen-name, Richard Gilbert (after his dead FBI friend) and supplies teaching assistance in the Behavioural Analysis Unit at the FBI Academy, but doesn’t take part in active cases. His ‘visions’ have since subsided and he prefers them that way, for his own mental state and the safety of his daughter.

The Millennium Group has fragmented (ignoring the events of the X Files episode). The vast majority of the members who weren’t involved with civil war between the Owls and Roosters, have joined other consultancies and try to put the association behind them.

Peter Watts was presumed killed at the end of Season Three but actually went missing, the body found at his house was that of the hit-man who killed his wife and daughters.

Doug Scaife, an analyst for the FBI has moved up the ranks in recent years and once a trusted associate of Franks, becomes deputy director and meets with Frank to reenage him with new cases, to which he refuses. Scaife is the only one who knows Frank's location in Quantico.

Lara Means, last seen in a mental ward after being told revelations by the Group, has since recovered and been released, and apparently, with her gift if seeing angels removed. She comes to realise the group was corrupted by the same evil it hoped to defeat, and that it was its over interpretation of mystical signs and portents which led them to that corruption. She feels the need to somehow restore the Group's reputation and resources, as the destruction of the Group was exactly what the 'forces of evil' wanted. Through Scaife, she tracks Frank down.

Lucy Butler, also known as Legion, was considered Franks recurring nemesis and equal in the show and represents the ambiguity between the supernatural source of evil and the evil produced by a “cold heart and a weak mind”. Therefore it is only right that Frank be confronted by that evil once more. Whereas before, elements of a supernatural evil who know Franks gift have appeared to indirectly to try to influence Frank, to either misdirect or to recruit him, Lucy Butler would now try to get to him directly, through his daughter.

In terms of plot, it would be established that Frank was part of the Group that was corrupted by cultists, but the work he and others did was worthwhile, and needed again. While police and intelligence work in the 21st century focuses on terrorism, law enforcement find it difficult to allocate sufficent resources to serial crimes and consultancy groups are in increasing demand. If we are to assume that Lucy Butler is acting for the forces of evil, she will try to disrupt these consultants, and eventually find her way to the remnants of the Millennium Group. It would be easy to have a simple whodunnit plot with former agents getting killed off by Butler or her associates, but I think theres a more personal story to be told with Frank.

Lara could track Frank down shortly after he starts having visions again, and somehow shows him that his abstinance from actively engaging in solving crimes has tipped the scales in favour of the evil; that though he may be trying to spare his daughter from 'the bad men', he is putting her in more danger. A danger that could be proved when Jordan herself starts having visions and goes missing.

I think restoring the friendship between Peter Watts and Frank is also integral. The Group seemed to approach potential members in moments of great personal weakness. Peter, now free from the cult propaganda and having lost his family will be trying to put his life back together and would be trying to find Frank himself to explain what happened.

Rather than the focus on impending millennial doom, or on a simple supernatural/serial killer of the week plot device, I think a potential film would need to concentrate on the core idea of a man trying to protect his family from the evil he knows is waiting outside his door, and his friends who owe him a debt to help him.

Wow, that's a fantastic outline for any "Millennium" revival. Only question: how did Lara lose her gift? The coming of the new millennium or due to treatments received in the mental ward?

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Wow, that's a fantastic outline for any "Millennium" revival. Only question: how did Lara lose her gift? The coming of the new millennium or due to treatments received in the mental ward?

Thanks BTL.

I always thought that the Groups interpretation of the millennium as being a Biblical battle, and whatever they told her, obviously sent her over the edge, confirming all her fears. When her angel deserted her in Fourth Horseman, she lost any grip on 'reality', on the reason she was given her gift, and succumbed to despair. Her doctors would have tried to explain to her that her fears were unfounded and that her visions were examples of a self reinforcing delusion, one that the Group helped manipulate. Once the clock ticked over to 2001 and the world didn't end, that would have given her enough strength to try and piece her reality together again. I don't think she would ever completely lose her gift, but it would certainly be repressed, and she would go back to the science of forensic psychology as she used in her past.

It would take years but by the time we rejoin Frank and Jordan, I think she would have be reemployed. She would be investigating a crime, and her angel would appear to her again, signalling a new threat, one which would force her to seek out Frank Black and the remnants of the Group.

To be honest this isn't set in stone, but just one way of reintroducing the audience to the Millennium universe in a movie/new pilot. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples ideas.

Guest ZeusFaber
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To be honest this isn't set in stone, but just one way of reintroducing the audience to the Millennium universe in a movie/new pilot. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples ideas.

Suffice to say, alot of the things you've talked about you are going to see echoed and explored in the vitual fifth season.

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Suffice to say, alot of the things you've talked about you are going to see echoed and explored in the vitual fifth season.
Yes ZF - it does appear that if the MillenniuM conundrum is to ever be answered, it will most likey be here, at TIWWA, in the form of a "virtual" season...It seems that all of our eggs and hopes lie in the success of the 2nd x-files movie...

Another, greater hurdle to overcome is whether or not Terry O'Quinn and the like would be willing to appear in a MillenniuM movie, series, etc...What i found particularily strange about the interviews was O'Quinn's absence, especially after his importance to the show..

4th Horseman...

Guest ZeusFaber
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I'm sure he'd be more than willing to appear in a movie if the offer came up. I'm not sure why we didn't hear from him on the DVDs either though. He may have been unavailable, or his comments may have been cut, who knows.

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