Catherine

[Guest icubud]

I personally don't think she was killed off. There are just too many questions as to why she didn't. I think if C.C. had wanted her dead then he would have just come right out and had it known that she had died. I think he did it this way just in case she did want  to come back. So I think they left it open for that reason. Plus also if the show did go on longer than the MM then there would be another story line that they could go with. That the MG had her all along. As I recall they really didn't do any real search party for her.  I think another reason for me is that in Midnight of the century. They show Franks father at the end as a ghost. But not Catherine. And I just don't think they had the proper closure for her death. For me there are just too many loose ends. So I just don't think she had really died. They never showed her grave stone. They never had a service. Nothing to really prove to me as a viewer that she was actually dead. Only the fact that Frank accepts the fact that she is gone. An he has to move on with his life.

Nice to know someone else feels the same way. The whole scene of him "dreaming/remembering" what took place I can ultimately disregard as dreaming. The one thing that really still whirls around in my head is the fact Frank does not address Catherine's death with Jordan. That is not the way Frank is. That is also not what Catherine would expect either. She kept setting the table for her. Why? No funeral, no body, no absolute proof that she died.

You have a good point with the image of his father and it not Catherine in the "Midnight of the Century". I know Frank had unresolved issues with and about his father - but they were not near the life impacting ones as if Catherine had died.

[Guest Seraphim]

Hmm, I agree that Catherine's death has a lot of inconclusive aspects. If they would have gotten to season 4, maybe the answers and truth/falsehood of her death would be dealt with. It would be nice if the DVD's do well enough that season 4 would be done as a direct to video release.

[Guest &one]

damn now that would have been a good ???? to ask Lance Did Cathrine really die I am sure he would know

[Guest A Stranger]

Nice to know someone else feels the same way. The whole scene of him "dreaming/remembering" what took place I can ultimately disregard as dreaming. The one thing that really still whirls around in my head is the fact Frank does not address Catherine's death with Jordan. That is not the way Frank is. That is also not what Catherine would expect either. She kept setting the table for her. Why? No funeral, no body, no absolute proof that she died.

You have a good point with the image of his father and it not Catherine in the "Midnight of the Century". I know Frank had unresolved issues with and about his father - but they were not near the life impacting ones as if Catherine had died.

Woah, I disagree completly. You have to take in account that the events in "The Innocents" is pretty much real time. I think it was four months that had elapsed and a lot had happened off screen, Frank's complete breakdown included. It might not have been handled well in some areas, mainly the fact that is was not adressed enough early on, but that has a lot to do with all the behind-the-scenes problems.

I didn't take Jordan's setting a spot for Catherine as evidence that she didn't understand her mother is dead but more along the lines of her way of dealing with it and slowly accepting it as she does (even before and better than Frank!) in "Omerta." I really like that scene, as well as the ones with Frank and Catherine's father. I found them to be very realistic and it was when I really realized what direction the show was trying to go in.

I think it could have been delt with a little better at times but the idea of Catherine still being alive is horrible! No way.

[Guest se7en]

......i've always been of the opinion that Katherine not being dead,and being held by the MG as thier ACE-card,was a possibility.

~se7en

[Guest kath]

I voted that it didn't matter if she lived or died. I came into the show in the beginning of the second season, and it wasn't until later that I saw the first season.

there were alot of issues that I had with the second season, and its resolution for the third- which became very dark afterwards. it wasn't just her leaving,it was the distruction of the world that Frank knew, because the show lost so many good people so quiclkly. Andrews, Laura Means, and Cathrine all impacted the show and the new characters they brought in, didn't fill the void that was left. YES I liked the Barry Baldwin character, but not the hollis character for reasons I can't explain. There were alot of reoccuring themes - the grill flame eye that popped up everwhere- the palm trees - and one kept waiting for it to be explained.

by the end of the third season, well, the x files crossover said that the group disbanded- which from what we have learned that there were two sections of the group, the owls, and the roosters, the roosters were the ones, at the end who disbanded (were killed off) and it was the owls who have stepped back out of the lime light and disappeared for now, waiting, watching wondering...

It tells us that it wasn't watts who died in the study, but a rooster member. Something else happened, that made Frank come out of hiding, and allow himself to go into treatment (yet again) so that he could stay with Jorden, which means the danger to them from the roosters was adverted, and that the owls, who believe it is still the dead of night, are now in control.

Would Cathrines death have changed who was in charge of the owls or the roosters? no. nor would have Andrews, though, she may have been finding out things that would have slowed the roosters up a bit. Watts defected from the roosters, to the owls, -

Laura Means. Heres my thing. the gal got way too much scream time. she anoyed the heck outa me, and was used as a plot device for Jordan to live, and Cathrine to die.

Is Cathrine dead? probably. Jordan setting the table is very common for children who can't accept that the parent is dead, and Jordan sees angels. She would still *see* her mother and maybe she does sit down and join them at dinner- who knows. But dead or separated the season could have ended the same- it did end the same as the year before with them going into hiding.

Somethings never change.

Kath

[Guest se7en]

it's hard for me to even count owls/roosters as a valid part of the mytharc because it was dropped like a hot potato,by M&W, right after M&W wrote it. besides it being silly,but still enjoyable,M&W never mentioned anything about that storyline again.

...I LOVED the Emma character. it showed,for me,just how wooden lara's character,and Kloke's acting really was. I never actively disliked her ccharacter but for me it was apparent that she was just "thrown in there" because she was Morgan's wife. i say this mainly because of thier painful lack of chemistry as actors.-(IN MY OPINION I SHOULD SAY.lol!)-and "FRANKLY" in all the other roles i have seen her in she's just,for me,not a convincing actress at all. I always think she talks like she's reading cue-cards or something.

Now Emma and Frank as student/mentor was thrilling for me and Klea,besides being a very charismatic actress,is also,well.....pleasing on the eyes. and unlike with Kloke it was very apparent that the 2-"clicked" as actors together,especially the last half of the season when thier relationship started to become much more complex and multifaceted,which,for me,never occured with kloke and Lance.

...and the possibility of katherine being held by MG would not change the fact that Jordan and Frank would still think she would be dead,hence Jordan would still set the empty place setting. that would be the whole point of abducting and keeping her in the first place. i seriously doubt it would have ended up happening but boy it would have been powerfull had the series ended with ALL of them back at the yellow house together again and victorious over everything they had been through. ..not a nice neat "tidy" end mind you,but at least with them back together.

se7en

[Guest kath]

hollis was always a bit- too - much- to swallow. Did nothing for me for her looks, or her acting. The show seemed to revolve around her too much, and her acceptance into the group, and if the world we have is filled with FBI agents like her, then we are in trouble.

she is supposed to be very bright- she- was too green in the field, no matter how bright.- someone like that would have never been assigned to a special task force- ever- she had no experiance in the field, and would have , at best be assigned paperwork not field work. ... sigh.... someone once said that it was the subtule movements of her face that she was acting with. the slight raise of the plucked eyebrow- etc. I never could figure out how that involentary twitching could ever be called acting.

The person who played Cathrien was much STRONGER of an actress that the person who played Hollis. There was a definate shift of energy with the third season and it wasn't from that femal field agent.

Kath

[Guest chrisnu]

it's hard for me to even count owls/roosters as a valid part of the mytharc because it was dropped like a hot potato,by M&W, right after M&W wrote it. besides it being silly,but still enjoyable,M&W never mentioned anything about that storyline again.

Well, it was still in the storyline, though. If an S4 had come to be, maybe we would have seen more of that. As much as I'd like to ignore some elements of the third season, they were still played out on screen, and are canon.

it's hard for me to even count owls/roosters as a valid part of the mytharc because it was dropped like a hot potato,by M&W, right after M&W wrote it. besides it being silly,but still enjoyable,M&W never mentioned anything about that storyline again.

I will admit that a lot of times, Lara and Frank never really "clicked" for me either, and I actively HATED her in some episodes (e.g. "Anamnesis"), but other episodes were just right ("Midnight Of The Century", "Goodbye Charlie"). I really didn't like Emma for the first 2/3 of S3, mostly because the first 1/3 of S3 felt like The Emma Show to me; too much screen time! However, her character started getting interesting around the last 1/3. It's too bad that the show was cancelled during that process.

Now Emma and Frank as student/mentor was thrilling for me and Klea,besides being a very charismatic actress,is also,well.....pleasing on the eyes.

Oh yeah, Emma will always have my vote for most Babe-a-licious.

[Guest se7en]

...yeah,she's definately hot but,for me,that would have meant nothing had her character not been so strong and her acting not so great. ....the Frank/Emma relationship went a long ways towards getting that bitter taste of utterly wasted potential bewtween Frank/Lara-(a stronger actress should have been hired to portay what "started" as a potentially great character)-and finally the Frank/Katherine relationship,especially the whole end of the world/katherine is dead bullshit .

...here is a wild prospect:Scott was interviewed right before the show wrapped,and everyone knew it was over of course,well she said that before they knew the show was over that both her and Lance were "gently" urging to have thier characters "get closer" at some point down the road. Now,i cannot see how that could have been done in a plausible way,and i don't mean any racial bullshit/stupidity in saying that,but i have no doubt if any 2 actors could have pulled it off ot would be them. for me they were the most unique partnership in a very very long time. -(oh yeah,and she was a total "babe-a-licious") ...for me the ONLY other female regular character as vivid and complex and as well drawn out as Emma was Katherine in S1.

.....but,as always,i digress :grin2:

CHEERS,

se7en