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I have something i need to get off my chest and i am hoping that you, my fellow members will bear with me, support me, or help come up with ways to deal with it...

The problem has been steadily progressing for a number of years now, not with an overt sense of braggadocio, but with the insidious, beguiling creep of a spectre that we see only fleetingly out of the corner of our eye, never able to fully view...

It has become such a central issue in our lives that we are now being forced to choose between something we WANT to do and something we HAVE to do. It is serving to fan the embers of a possible social rebellion/revolution, for i am truely wondering just how much more we, as a society are going to tolerate it...

I am talking about the crude oil issue and how we are all at the mercy of not only the big oil companies, but everyone, from the countries where the reserves are to your local downtown Shell station on the corner. My anger, harvested from the fruit of greed and ego of both oil companies and the general public, have reached a boiling point.

Society continues to be held hostage at the hands of a few, whose actions, both accidental and deliberate, not only continue to plunder our pocketbooks, but tarnish what hopes we had that "things will get better"

Profits are obscene, compensation of top executives are at an all time record high. For example, the CEO of Exxon, Lee Raymond, received last year, as a retirement package, nearly 400 million dollars including pension, stock options, etc. That equates to approximately $144,573.00 dollars/day...THATS PER DAY...

The Sword of Damocles swings often and at random...no matter the severity of the event in the middle east, whether it be threat of all-out war, or someone farts at the local diner, prices immediately begin to rise. In the past 12 months, the cost of a barrel of crude oil has more than doubled. Does this mean that the production costs have doubled as well? Hell no, it just means that as lemmings, we continue to walk off the cliff over and over again. Its the Pied Piper syndrome.

When i was a child, I remember my father driving all over town while on vacation, looking for "gas wars", feeling vindicated when he paid 29 cents a gallon instead of 31....in 1973, i clearly remember OPEC refusing to sell crude oil to those countries who supported Israel in their war against Syria. This led out here in California to what was called "odd-even" days, whereby if you had a liscense plate that ended in an even number, you could only get gas on certain days...The spawning of our current situation was now complete. (**And then one day you find, 35 years have gotten behind you**). Today, we look back and see just how brilliant the perps were at our expense. Slowly, methodically, a little at a time, prices kept going up. $1, $1.50, $2, $2.50...when there was the slightest breeze of a protest, the prices would temporarily drop from say 2.50 to 2.25...WOW, we thought, cheap gas!!!!..But just six months ago we never dreamed the price would be 2.25, much less 2.50...so one of the greatest psychological hand-jobs was pulled off with perfection...when the public was given their "bone", the next time we would drive by the gas station, it was there for all, including God to see, gas was now 2.75 gallon...it would then "drop" to 2.50 for a while, then would continue up until it is what it is today, nearly 4.00 per gallon, all the while, executives pay are now being delivered in armoured vehicles...

When is this going to stop? The fabric of society is sure to be strained, as it magnifies the line between those who CAN afford it and those who CAN'T..Many of our friends are now having to change summer vacation plans, either by travelling to closer locations, or worse, not travelling at all. When the situation begins to truely affect society's desire to do those things that make them feel fullfilled, happy, relaxed, then, i cant see anything but trouble down the road. As executives walk away with unconscionable "golden parachutes" while the economy's instabilty becomes the sword by which thousands of jobs are eliminated, the clock is set ticking, winding its way forward, tick tock, tick tock, the ever constant progression of time, to a moment somewhere, unknown for now, in the future when the cancerous bastions of affluence, its underpinnings weakened by decades of public acrimony, will gloriously collapse.

who knows....

4th Horseman

"And behold, a pale horse, and he who sat on it, his name was Death. Hades followed with him. Authority over one fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword, with famine, with death, and by the wild animals of the earth was given to him." REV 6:8

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i am sure your paying much more out in Cali than i am here in St.louis. The other day it hit $3.59 a gal. It pisses me off so much it makes me cringe and cuss while i am pumping gas. I remember when i first learn to drive back in the early 80's. i was paying .49 a gal. I too feel mad and worry about our future. On the other hand i hope for a better future. I came across this article and i feel somewhat better:

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- A huge offshore oil discovery could raise Brazil's petroleum reserves by a whopping 40 percent and boost this country into the ranks of the world's major exporters, officials said.

A gas station worker refuels a taxi with natural gas at a Petrobras gas station Thursday in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

The government-run oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA, or Petrobras, said the new "ultra-deep" Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude, sending Petrobras shares soaring and prompting predictions that Brazil could join the world's "top 10" oil producers.

Petrobras President Sergio Gabrielli said Thursday the oil from ultradeep areas, including the Tupi field, would give Brazil the world's eighth-largest oil and gas reserves.

"Brazil's reserves will lie somewhere between those of Nigeria and those of Venezuela," Gabrielli said at a news conference.

Petrobras says the Tupi field, off Brazil's southeastern Atlantic coast, has between 5 billion and 8 billion barrels -- equivalent to 40 percent of all the oil ever discovered in Brazil.

Brazil's total oil reserves currently rank 17th in the world, with 14.4 billion barrels of oil equivalent, Gabrielli said.

Thursday's news of the discovery rocked a country that became a net oil exporter only last year but must still import light crude oil for the refined products it needs. Brazil produces -- and exports -- mostly heavy crude oil, which has to be mixed with the light oil in refineries.

Petrobras' American depository shares jumped $24.03 to $116.77 on the New York Stock Exchange to close at a 52-week high. In Brazil, Petrobras shares ended 14.1 percent higher Thursday at 80.17 reals ($45.94) in Sao Paulo.

"If this is confirmed, we will no longer be a 'medium' country, pursuing self-sufficiency and exporting a little. It will transform the nation to another level, with exporting properties like Venezuela, Arab nations and others," said Dilma Rousseff, presidential chief of staff.

For a country that went deeply into debt buying foreign oil in the 1970s and '80s, "this has changed our reality," she said.

Rousseff also announced that Brazil was withdrawing 41 blocks of underwater territory from an auction of 312 prospective oil blocks to be held this month. The country still will put the remaining 261 blocks up for auction but will reserve the most promising areas around the Tupi field for itself.

The Tupi field lies under 2,140 meters (7,060 feet) of water, more than 3,000 meters (almost 10,000 feet) of sand and rocks, and then another 2,000-meter (6,600-foot) thick layer of salt. The company drilled test wells that lie under 2,166 meters (7,100 feet) of water, 286 kilometers (177 miles) south of Rio de Janeiro.

Getting that oil out of the Earth's crust is a formidable challenge, but most of Brazil's oil lies off its Atlantic coast, and Petrobras has become a global leader in ultradeep offshore oil extraction.

Felipe Cunha, an oil analyst with the Sao Paulo-based brokerage Brascan, said the Tupi field guarantees Brazil's oil output will continue to grow.

"If the best-case scenario happens, this discovery would make Petrobras' reserves overcome those of Shell and Chevron and put Petrobras behind only Exxon and British Petroleum," Cunha said.

Petrobras has a 65 percent operating stake in the field, Britain's BG Group PLC holds 25 percent, and Petroleos de Portugal holds the remaining 10 percent

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I don't think it helps any when our commander-in-chief and most of his cronies are years and years deep into the oil business going back generations with most of them. Hard to complain when your getting rich off of the rest of us. How much is enough? FREE ENTERPRISE CRY THE OIL COMPANIES, THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!! "We're just simple businessman trying to make a living." And then along comes the "economic stimulus package", geeezzz, what a joke, is $1200-1500 really going to save anyone? I'll take it and most likely try to pay a couple of car payments ahead so I can offset the damn money I'm spending on gas. "We love our cars and our large SUVs." I've heard this a million times from the media. True enough, but for the last century we haven't been given much choice other than to buy a car that runs on petroleum products. This just keeps getting worse, until a year from now, we'll all think 3.50 a gallon is a great deal????? Short of an asteroid hitting the earth or the complete collapse of our society, I just don't see things changing that much from an oil company point of view. The last numbers I heard, hybrid cars make up a whopping 1.2% of the vehicle population. I doubt if the oil company execs are making lemonade in their pants over those numbers. Being as hybrids are more expensive both to buy and maintain (anyone checked into the cost of replacing batteries in those suckers?, might want to before buying one) the consumer is going to get screwed as long as our world is capitalism driven, and someone is loving every minute of it. Feudal times may not be as far away as they are close in the future, the rift in our society between rich, middle class, and poor is shrinking to just rich or poor again as it once was a long time ago. Is there any way to stop it? I tend to think not. As long as there are humans there will humans exploiting other humans. A wonderful species we are....

"Have I run too far to get home?"

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We pay $8.98 (US Dollars) per gallon in Germany.

Much of which is used in taxes to invest in alternative sources of energy.

I do not comment further. I rarely use my car. We have a thing called public transportation. It works, it gets you anywhere (usually always faster) and it doesn't cost a lot.

Think different.

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Supply and demand could work. IF you could get a high enough percentage of Americans to not buy gas for a month, prices would come down. I understand that Barrack Oboma has a mesmorizing power over a large mass of people. Maybe if he called for a boycott it would happen? He could further his hero image.

Another issue is how much of the price of gas is tax? Knocking off that extra per gallon would be nice, hu? McCain has called for a lifting of the tax, but it "ain't gonna happen".

I wonder if prices would be this high if the environmental wachos hadn't choked off drilling in Alaska and other places.

I remember waiting in line to buy gas. I haven't seen that in the news yet, so I'm guessing that the prince of gasoline isn't as high as it was in the late 70's and early 80's (when adjusted for inflation). I hate paying 50 bucks instead of 35 bucks to fill up my truck, but I'm not ready to take the bus to work yet.

I don't want to live in an any more socialistic society than I already do, so I'm not going to get a gun and join any revolution to kill people for making 30 million dollar bonuses. I want them to keep making money and keep getting the gasoline to the pumps. Who knows, my granddaughter might marry their grandson in 20 years and she'll be rich. I like driving.

END TIMES: Could an oil "crises" contribute to an end times scenario?

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We pay $8.98 (US Dollars) per gallon in Germany.

Much of which is used in taxes to invest in alternative sources of energy.

I do not comment further. I rarely use my car. We have a thing called public transportation. It works, it gets you anywhere (usually always faster) and it doesn't cost a lot.

BEER----> And we think we have it bad in the US. Can't open up any oil fields. I have an oil well pumping down the street from me and I can't tap into it. Too many enviormentilistic (did i make up a word?) quotas here. I guess there's just too much worry in the free world. Must be the end of times.

BELCH

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We pay $8.98 (US Dollars) per gallon in Germany.

Much of which is used in taxes to invest in alternative sources of energy.

I do not comment further. I rarely use my car. We have a thing called public transportation. It works, it gets you anywhere (usually always faster) and it doesn't cost a lot.

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Gosh Toby I guess it's as bad there as it is here but 4th is so right isn't it such a bugger?

As you note we poor Europeans are paying beyond our means for fuel, as we speak there is a fuel crisis in the UK and our major pipeline has gone on strike and numerous fuel stations have closed. The Government has begged for calm, again, but given that the American conversion for the price we pay for a gallon is $9.25 I wish to God we were paying the $3.00's that are provoking such unbridled fury. Chances are we are looking at a national shortage of fuel nevermind paying a fortune in comparison to the amount American citizen's are paying.

$3.00? Yes please!

Eth

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I know you will all think me mad but Mark's wonderful points regarding fuel and such had me in mind of The Lone Gunmen. In the episode 'Like Water for Octane" they investigate the death of man who created a car that ran oh water. My Dad says there is some truth to it as a prototype was designed in the 70's. Is there any truth to this or is he as mad as he gunmen?

Best wishes,

Eth

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Dear friends,

Well my Dad wasn't wrong after all though it seems his dates are way off. The Man in question was one Stanley Meyer who was apparently poisoned for inventing a vehicle that would run on water and hydrogen. I found an interesting little article about it, make up your own minds as it is one of those gloriously discombobulate conspiracy theories, so I thought I would share it.

Stanley Meyer Killed

As BP are set to close a pipeline that supplies 40% of oil and gas in the UK I decided to fill up just in case. I just spent £50 or $99 and if life in England gets any more expensive even those of us on excellent salaries are going to feel the pinch.

A Water Powered car seems highly desirable at the moment.

Best wishes to you all,

Eth

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