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The other night i was bored and nothing good on TV so i watched Covenant and Thin White Line. As i watched Covenant i kept thinking about Jon Benet Ramsey. Could this be maybe a theory of what might of happened? Did the mom go over the edge and kill her while the father try to cover it up and put the blame on a intruder. I have not heard of any new evidence or updates except for Mrs. Ramsey is dying of cancer. What are your all take on this

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Hmmm... I've spent a lot of time thinking about this.

I can't remember, since it's been so many years, but wasn't their evidence of sexual assalt?

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The other night i was bored and nothing good on TV so i watched Covenant and Thin White Line.  As i watched Covenant i kept thinking about Jon Benet Ramsey. Could this be maybe a theory of what might of happened?  Did the mom go over the edge and kill her while the father try to cover it up and put the blame on a intruder.  I have not heard of any new evidence or updates except for Mrs. Ramsey is dying of cancer.  What are your all take on this

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This was one of the theories actually put forth by the prosecution in the case...but there was never enough tangible evidence to make anything stick. I personally think that her family, and most likely her mother had a big hand in the death of Jon Benet...but they pretty much have let sleeping dogs lie after all of the people leaving the investigation and disagreeing on key points. I'm not sure we'll ever truly know what happened to her~only the family knows, and they're definitely not talking. I could be wrong, but that's just my take.

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another very good episode, and one of my favorites from Season 1. it shows a lot about Frank's personality and his willingness to fight for what he believes in... i must say that it's also very grim and that it was quite shocking the first time i saw it.. especially at this time crime shows wanted to avoid too heavy subjects like the murders of innocent children, sexual abuse and incest - all conventions which MillenniuM broke, and did so in a very honest way, without any signs of exploataton or shock value.. in fact, it's especially these type of episodes ("Covenan", "Well Worn Lock") that goes out of their way NOT to include anything for the sake of shock and gore (as a few other episodes undoubtedly did)..

the actor who played the father put in a convincing performance, just as he did on multiple The X-Files episodes as Krychkaw or however you spell that

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On 2/4/2016 at 7:09 AM, claaa7 said:

another very good episode, and one of my favorites from Season 1. it shows a lot about Frank's personality and his willingness to fight for what he believes in... i must say that it's also very grim and that it was quite shocking the first time i saw it.. especially at this time crime shows wanted to avoid too heavy subjects like the murders of innocent children, sexual abuse and incest - all conventions which MillenniuM broke, and did so in a very honest way, without any signs of exploataton or shock value.. in fact, it's especially these type of episodes ("Covenan", "Well Worn Lock") that goes out of their way NOT to include anything for the sake of shock and gore (as a few other episodes undoubtedly did)..

the actor who played the father put in a convincing performance, just as he did on multiple The X-Files episodes as Krychkaw or however you spell that

I absolutely agree, and what makes MLM such a fantastic show.  It covered subjects without the visuals.

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(This news article instantly reminded me of this episode, and I admit, my skin is still crawling over this.)

Girl Says Her Mom Asked For Forgiveness Before Stabbing Her

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FILE - In a Friday, July 7, 2017 file photo, Isabel Martinez gestures towards news cameras during her first court appearance, in Lawrenceville , Ga. Martinez is charged with killing four of her children and their father. A report from the Georgia Division of Family and Children Services says Diana Romero, the 9-year-old girl who was the lone survivor when her siblings and father were stabbed to death said she saw her mother stab the others and that her mother asked for forgiveness before stabbing her. (AP Photo/John Bazemore, File)

 

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ATLANTA (AP) — Everyone was asleep when Isabel Martinez began stabbing her children and then fatally stabbed her husband as he tried to seek help, her daughter told a child welfare caseworker.

Diana Romero, 9, said her mother told her she loved her and asked for forgiveness before cutting her. Martinez told the girl she was "going to the sky to see Jesus," and the girl cried and told her mother she didn't want to go see Jesus.

A report from the Georgia Division of Family and Children Services, first reported by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, includes a caseworker's notes from a July 10 interview with Diana Romero, as well as notes from a jailhouse interview earlier that day with Martinez, who faces charges including murder and aggravated assault in the July 6 deaths of her husband and four of her children.

Martinez behaved bizarrely during her first court appearance on July 7, waving, smiling and posing for news cameras and telling the judge she didn't need an attorney. The court appointed attorney Robert Greenwald to represent her. He initially filed a motion for a psychiatric evaluation but later withdrew that request.

Diana told the caseworker about a recent overnight trip to Savannah, where she said she had fun playing in the water. Her mother behaved normally on the trip and when they returned home, and her parents didn't get upset with each other during the trip, she said.

Martinez, 33, also talked to the caseworker about the getaway, saying that while they were there "the waves attempted to take her away and her children and she just wanted to save them." She didn't feel comfortable in Savannah and asked her husband to take her home because she felt a "devil like spirit" there, she said.

After Diana had been cut, her mother brought her into the bedroom where her husband, Martin Romero, was sleeping to show him what had happened, Diana said. When Romero, 33, tried to get help, Martinez stabbed him, Diana said.

Martinez was not crying or screaming as she stabbed her family and called police after also cutting herself, Diana said.

When the caseworker asked Martinez what had happened, she took a deep breath and smiled before beginning to explain.

She said she is innocent and hopes to be free once the investigation is complete.

Martinez said a family friend who frequently visits the house was the one who stabbed her husband and children and cut her wrist when she tried to stop him. She repeatedly declined to identify the family friend, saying investigators would find the answers.

She placed all of the bodies in the same room before police came "so everyone could be together," she said.

She never admitted to hurting her family, the report says. She will accept it if she is found guilty, but "she knows she is not guilty because she wouldn't be this calm about it," she told the caseworker.

The four children killed were identified as Isabela Martinez, 10; Dacota Romero, 7; Dillan Romero, 4; and Axel Romero, 2. Immigration authorities have said Martinez, who's from Mexico, entered the country illegally, and she told the caseworker she's been in Georgia for about 12 years.

The documents from the child welfare agency indicate a previous interaction with the family in 2015, when a caseworker investigated allegations that Romero used a belt and a phone charger cord to discipline some of the children when they wouldn't go to sleep. Both parents acknowledged sometimes using physical discipline, but the agency determined the children faced no safety threats and closed the case.

 

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