Chris Carter And Pornography

[HighPlainsDrifter]

Does Carter have a obsession with Porno's. Fox Mulder loved his nudie Mags........Frank was busted by Catherine with having some XXX link on his computer and on The Hand of St. Sebastin when Frank and Peter saw the nudie sites on the computer. Whats the deal?

[Guest Copper1234]

Hmmm Joe, I would have to disect this one

Mulder having spent 20-30 years of his life trying to prove the malevonlant presence of Extra Terrestial obiviously had little time for the ladies...and what kind of woman would want a guy as paranoid, obsessive somewhat neurtotic and unstable...something is alwyas happening to him..how many times did he apparently die..? leading to the answer that Obiviuosly Mulder needed somthing to divert him ..and as Clyde Bruckman said.."Autoerotic(sp) ephisxiation is not the best way to go...'"clearly Mulder has intamcy issues...he gets Scully pregnant presumbly by frozen sperm...go figure..

as for Frank..well after seeing all the evil in the wrold in your face and unable to escape..I dont hink he had a problem letting out a little steam...

heheheh

sorry had to over analyze the whole thing...

simply IMO CC was attempting to make both Mulder and Black human and able to connect with them as an audience...they had thier own foibles and quirks..

and besides porno can be fun...

i meant funny...and with 2 serious dark shows..you can use all the humor you can get to get the audience to relate to these charcters..espieccly Frank..who not only witness horrors unspeakable but is able himself to identy with it...how can a charcter like that be able to be sympathized by related to by an audience?

well they obviuously succeeded..

Copper..

"Ladies of the Night Frank? " Catherine.

"Its a (program) about birds." Frank

paraphrase

[Maxx Blackwell]

Does Carter have a obsession with Porno's.  Fox Mulder loved his nudie Mags........Frank was busted by Catherine with having some XXX link on his computer and on The Hand of St. Sebastin when Frank and Peter saw the nudie sites on the computer.  Whats the deal?

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When was this scene with Frank being busted by Catherine for having a XXX link? Was it in The Sound of Snow? As I haven't seen season 3 yet I can only assume this must be the case because I can't remember this scene from any of the season 1 or 2 episodes. Can you let me know please?

Maxx

[Guest Copper1234]

When was this scene with Frank being busted by Catherine for having a XXX link? Was it in The Sound of Snow? As I haven't seen season 3 yet I can only assume this must be the case because I can't remember this scene from any of the season 1 or 2 episodes. Can you let me know please?

Maxx

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It was Luminary I..Catherine helps out Frank and gets his computer to log on to his computer.."Its wrth it to check out your new lifestyle...."Ladies of the Night"?

"Its about owls..."..heheheheh

Copper

[Guest ZeusFaber]

Frank was busted by Catherine with having some XXX link on his computer and on The Hand of St. Sebastin when Frank and Peter saw the nudie sites on the computer.  Whats the deal?

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That was all in S2, so you might want to put it down to M&W rather than CC. Not to mention the fact that they cast Kimberly Patton (aka Ashlyn Greer) in not only MM, but also one of their XF episodes ("Blood") and "Space: Above and Beyond". Seems they might have a certain obsession of their own.

[Libby]

Here's an extract from "X-Files Confidential" for "Blood" in Season 2:

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Controversy arose when Morgan and Wong cast former porn star Kimberly Ashlyn Gere as a suburban housewife.

"She was trying to go legitimate, and we were trying to be punks and ruffle feathers," recalls Glen Morgan, who later cast her in several episodes of his series Space: Above and Beyond. "She said, 'What's the sex thing I have to do in it?' and I said, 'We wouldn't be that obvious. You play a housewife.' I was very proud of her and scared to death, because Bob Goodwin said, 'Why are we casting this girl?' I think people suspected monkey business, but I said, 'We're casting her for the same reason Miami Vice cast Gordon Liddy - it's a weird, cool thing to do, and she's a better actress than Gordon was.'"

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Probably any obsession was to do with not doing things in a stereotypical way - just being punks because they could. Seems typical 1013 style. I do like it when shows throw out something slightly off-kilter, like casting someone against type. (Of course, that backfires with me, as I don't always recognise the actor's name in the first place!)

[The Old Man]

So much tasty trivia! So many fun threads about this week!

[ethsnafu]

Apparently, and I do mean apparently as I do not own a collection of her early work, Kim was the lead role in 70 of the 75 adult movies she starred in. She quotes in an interview that she ...."was always getting big parts"....but I would imagine that would be par for the course. She was the winner of the industry's FOXE 1991 Fan Favourite, 1992 Vixen of the Year and 1993 Best Female Performer awards and under her birth name, Kim McKamy, she's appeared in non-X horror and exploitation films and made a low budget movie with one of the actors from CHIPS (who's name escapes me) before being approached by Morgan and Wong. She appears in M&W's recent film Willard which is a damn fine movie if not a very immediate one.

Zeus is so right that any credit/blame for any perceived pornographic obsession must be laid firmly, pardon the phrase, at Morgan and Wongs door and considering the constant use of Kim (pardon the phrase again) in their work you can only conclude they have cupboards that Kristen isn't allowed to tidy.

On the issue of 'Owls' I happen to believe Frank's protestation of innocence, it seems to me to be the foundation for the 'Owls' and 'Roosters' storyline where Peter Watts notes that both Frank and Lara have had information sent to their PC's from the Owls. On that note I shall leave you with a bit of Kim's 1013 career for your perusal.

"Patton's entry into television came from a chance meeting with X-FILES writer/co-executive producer Glen Morgan in the spring of 1994. By coincidence, THE X-FILES was one television show she routinely watched, her initial interest piqued by the series' name. "It had to be fated that this happened," Patton laughs. "I started watching it and they had such a unique idea for the story. I thought, ‘Oh this is fabulous! Everybody's got to watch this! This is wonderful!' "

Patton never dreamed she'd be on the show but one day, when she was visiting a Los Angeles club to meet a performer, she felt a tap on her shoulder. The man trying to get her attention was the aforementioned Glen Morgan, who had recognized her and had immediately thought of casting her on the show. Suspecting a ruse, Patton insisted on Morgan producing a business card. Morgan admitted a card wasn't instantly accessible, so Patton reluctantly handed over one of hers. Upon arriving home in Las Vegas, she was surprised to find a call on her answering machine. "It was his work number, please call da-da-da-da, so I immediately picked up the phone. It was the Fox lot, and the recording said, 'I'm sorry, we're only open until the hours of...' and I said, 'Oh my God, I can't believe it, I couldn't give the time of day to the producer of the X-Files!!' But Glen was so nice and he realized how it must have looked to come up and tap me on the shoulder, and then have no business card in that kind of atmosphere. Since then, it's been a running joke. We have gotten along great and I'm so thankful to him and James Wong for giving me a chance. I really appreciate it."

Morgan and Wong finally wrote a part for Patton in the third episode of THE X-FILES' second season. Entitled "BLOOD," it centered around a series of spree killings in a small Pennsylvania town, with the perpetrators apparently set off by a heightening of their phobias to a point that drove them mad with fear. Patton (this time billed as Kimberly Ashlyn Gere) played a woman named Bonnie McRoberts whose phobia, ironically, was a fear of rape. "Glen and Jim bring a lot of slight innuendos into all of their characters," grins Patton. "You really have to know them to understand a lot of their writing and pick up on it. They're actually very funny, so for me to play a character whose fear was the of being raped, was their way of being a little catty. I had a fabulous time."

Tense when she arrived on the set, Patton acknowledges, "My nervousness worked great. The director, David Nutter, said, "Take a deep breath, it's okay, your nerves are going to be fine, that's how we want you to feel here.' And I thought, ‘Okay, that's exactly how I feel!' "

Patton's second scene required her to be interrogated by series' star David Duchovny. Then she had to go beserk, stab Duchovny's arm (for authenticity's sake, a real blade was utilized for tighter shots), and leap on top of the actor. "I was thinking, ‘Dear God, don't let me get him with this knife.' It's so techinical when you get to that point. The crew was saying ‘Oh, you're not going to really see David. You could jump onto one of these pads they have for stunt people.' And David immediately said, ‘Oh no, that's okay, she can fall on me!' He was really great."

Feliciti and friendPatton got on so well with Morgan and Wong that when they departed THE X-FILES in early ‘95 to create another Fox network series, SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND, they immediately thought of her to play Felicity OH. In this tale of war between Earth and a mysterious alien, the wild card is the Artificial Intelligence Silicates (called AI's for short), a race of walking, talking computers created to serve humans but then secretly altered by a renegade scientist with a virus that programs the AIs to always "take a chance." And even though Feliciti is killed off by the end of her first hour on the show, hundreds of Feliciti models are in existence, which meant Feliciti - and Patton - could come back whenever the producers wanted her to.

"The AIs started a war with the humans on Earth," clarifies Patton. "We were the first build to serve them. Then there was a virus put in us, and now we are computers that love to gamble, and take a chance at everything we do. That's the only thing we respect in a human being, if they're willing to gamble or take a chance at whatever it may be, including their lives. We have every intelligence that a human has and even more so, but the point is we were created by a human. So we can always, in my mind, be stopped by a human.

"We know what humans are afraid of, and we are wiling to act on that - whether it is through their dreams or through some fear that they have. We are very adept at picking up on it. And that is how we can manipulate people."

Patton loves playing a villain, and she uses stylized movements to convey her character's mechanical origins. "I'm a human playing a computer, and you still have human movements but you have to restrict them a little bit," she elucidates. "Slight, slowness of speech once in a while. Not in monotone, but I have a deep, throaty voice and I really take it down a few notches a few times, just to give it an undertone of slight bitchiness. Just that slight twist instead of a very robotic staccato. I don't know what you would call it. Glen and James and I talked about it before I did the part. It all comes out fairly, but they wanted an underquality of a bitchto my character. And since I'm the commander of the AI's, I get to be a little bitchier than everyone else!"

Patton has appeared so far in three episodes of SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND, and hopes to do more. Meanwhile, she continues to seek work in studio films and network television. "My goal is to do major motion pictures, but I love television because it's something new everyday. It really hones an actor's ability. Your technique is always on top. Acting class is fabulous, but until you're on the set and you're using what you learned in that acting class, you're still an out-of-work actor. So give me a job and let me work every day."

[Guest Copper1234]

You guys are obivously right. M and W had much more involvment with that than CC . It makes sense.

[Maxx Blackwell]

That was all in S2, so you might want to put it down to M&W rather than CC. 

It was Luminary I..Catherine helps out Frank and gets his computer to log on to his computer.."Its worth it to check out your new lifestyle...."Ladies of the Night"?

"Its about owls..."..heheheheh

Copper

Thanks Copper1234 and Zeus. You know I had completely blocked out that happening at all. Interestingly enough I remember it now that you describe the scene, but I attributed this to being a little joke as opposed to an actual thing that Catherine found. I'll have to review the scene again and pay more attention as to what Catherine's doing exactly when she finds it.

On the issue of 'Owls' I happen to believe Frank's protestation of innocence, it seems to me to be the foundation for the 'Owls' and 'Roosters' storyline where Peter Watts notes that both Frank and Lara have had information sent to their PC's from the Owls.

Now that's a nice little piece of foreshadowing!

from Libby's transcripts...

... Watts tells Frank that the Group has cut off its assistance meaning Frank will be on

his own.

...

Later, Frank has difficulty accessing his desktop computer through his laptop. He asks Catherine to drive to his apartment in an attempt to straighten out the problem. With Catherine's assistance, Frank determines that Alex made a five hundred dollar credit card purchase at a general store in Stebbins. Shortly thereafter, Watts and his men burst into Frank's apartment and begin dismantling his computer equipment.

Now this is a little interesting. Obviously they've either...

(a) been tapping his phone line so they know he's gotten Catherine to access his computer

(b) monitoring his online activity (and realizing he's in Alaska working on his own investigation so he's got someone's accessing his computer on his behalf)

© all of the above or

(d) have been tapping his phone line and have learned he's been surfing porn with his computer and bust in to retrieve the equipment because they have a strict policy in the Group about not surfing porn on a group computer.

(e) tapping his phone line and on hearing the word Owls went in to retrieve the computer to find evidence against him for being involved with the Owls.

Now which one is it?

Now the little joke about (d) had me thinking... The computer is supposedly his because he's had it from the beginning of season 1 and in The Beginning and The End the following exchange happens...

[in the basement there is a man at Frank's computer, typing. Frank approaches from

behind and then lunges at him. Frank gets the stranger into a headlock before seeing

that there's a second man present as well.]

DICKY BIRD: Ooh, yeah! Get him, Mr. Sunshine!

ROEDECKER: Take your stinking paws off of me, you damn dirty ape.

FRANK: You know this guy, Dicky Bird?

[Peter's voice from upstairs: Frank! Frank!]

DICKY BIRD: I've never seen him before, Monsieur Noir.

WATTS: Frank!

[Peter runs down the basement stairs.]

FRANK: Nice surprise.

WATTS: I sent these guys down here. You know D.B. This is Brian Roedecker,

systems specialist working for the group now.

ROEDECKER: (hoarsely) You fractured my hyoid.

FRANK: Anything new?

WATTS: No. But I had these guys download some information and add a

security system to your computer. That might give us a direction.

FRANK: Security system?

ROEDECKER: We've installed a V.A.S. 16/24A to your desktop. From this

point on, files originating from and designated compartmentalized by the Millennium

Group can only be opened by an included phrase from your unique vocal signature.

FRANK: This a new policy?

WATTS: The Group feels you are ready to receive more sensitive material.

Peter and Roedecker keeps refering to it as being "your computer" and "your desktop" - hardly conclusive evidence of ownership but it makes an argument for it.

Thus Frank might be comfortable for using it to surf porn but here's my thing.

Throughout Season 2 Group members keep showing up unannounced and tinkering with his computer. Unless he's totally unabashed about other people seeing he's surfing porn I don't think he'd be doing it with his computer. He's a profiler so he'd know about the implications of what he might be saying about himself if he did leave an e-trail with respect to his online activities.

So how do we rationalize that?

Also this is not the only episode where we see people "busted" for surfing porn (if indeed that's what this is!). All kinds of people are exposed as porn surfers in "The Mikado" and in "The Hand of St. Sebastien" the good doctor is revealed as a porn surfer as well.

Are M&W justifying their own use of porn by having all kinds of other people using it? Hmmm?

With that I have to boogie.

See yas later!

Maxx