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Well..... I'm gonna be scratching my head for a LOOOOONG time. :wha::headhurts:

I finaly got to view everything up through episode 10. 11 seems to have dissapeared...and I don't want to see 12 without 11 first.

But, the main thing that has me going.... wha: :headhurts: is the fact that, for some unknown reason..... Jason has put MY name "Erin McRaven" on the closing credits as the writer for NOT ONLY episodes 4, 5, and 6... which I did write, but you can see a LARGE difference between my script and the actual show......BUT ALSO on episodes 7, 8, 9, and 10....which were written by Micheal... AKA Seraphim of TIWWA.

Why this has happened, I DO NOT KNOW. I want credit given where credit is due, and I did NOT write anything in these episodes. Now, there is a scene somewhere, with a car chase, ending at a train crossing... that Jason said he was going to insert into one of Michale's episodes....but either he changed his mind, or it is in episode 11, which I cannot find a link for, or episode 12.

Also, from what I have read of Michale's work (which was REALLY good).... I think a lot of his script was changed as well. He sent me at least one of his scripts...over a year ago...which I totally enjoyed, and, upon re-viewing it, there seems to be a big difference between the two.

Also, I do not know why the warning of "Partial Nudeity" was plastered on one of the ones I DID write.... since there is obviously, no such thing in there!

I'm not here to start a fight. I am only all about truth....honesty....and giving credit where credit is due.

Michael, I'm sorry. :goodnight:

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Oi..he prob just forgot to put the page back up. And in any movie/series things are gonna be changed. One of the downers of script writing I guess, just like it has its perks to ^^ Not sure about the nudity thing...things would get confusing at the end I'd imagine with the end in sight lol Maybe scince you were kinda working with him on some of them he put your name there?


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ok....for the sake of being pleasant...I will try to be, do I feel angry...yes...do I feel hurt...yes....do I feel like bashing my head against the wall because I thought this was worked out and that you understood....yes, but this is not the place to discus those things to the general public, personally or professionally, in which case I suppose you feel it is.

Your name is in the end credit for two reasons.

1. It was easier to do for me, time wise allot of it was pressed time.

2. I did want to give exposure and credit to all involved as much as possible, so you wrote for the show, everyone involved with the show was in the end credits. Same with the crew, not everyone helped on every episode but they were in the credits.

Oh and the names were labeled as written by with out an episode label to them, my intention was to display everyone’s name that wrote for the show.

The partial nudity thing is there for two reasons, we built Morgan’s Character up, and he had pornography magazines on his floor, a subtle thing for those that catch it. The warning is there in case you did. In this case you didn't. The warning was also there because of the debate over language from another episode, so I felt people needed to be warned; it seemed to be the responsible thing to do, which I think some appreciated.

As for Michael's scripts, it seems he understands a bit more about why and how things in the scripts needed to be changed. So yes there were far more changes in Michaels scripts then in yours, all of which, yours and his, were fantastic scripts. None the less if you ever have the chance to shoot anything yourself I think you will understand a bit more.

Now I will go over some things for the last time, after this I am done explaining and I am moving on, this is purely for your benefit Raven and to help you understand why something’s happened the way they did.

The orig. idea was to write this thing like a TV show meaning independent show with smaller consistent story arch through them all. This was the reason why I told you have free reign. I still do not know if you fully understand what that previous statement means but I will roll with it as if you do. So you send me a script, I read it, first red flag for something that needed to be changed was the burning bus, no way I can pull that off, not only do I not have the time or the resources but permits alone would kill the pocket book. So you asked well can we show it after it was burned or that it was taken away from the FBI, sure we could, but then the entire episode was 3 people standing in a field there was nothing there, it was diag heavy and it was not compelling to watch for 10min. not that it wasn’t good but just a bit boring, as a book or novel it would have been fine, for a short 10 min episode well it just would not have worked. So the ropes idea comes into play, gives them something to look at that we can do on a budget. Great. now the diag was changed here for two reasons, Morgan was a bit too cardboard, we beefed him up a bit, second it was raining really bad so not only were the actors wanting to bail but I was standing in a foot of mud, literally...take a look at the production picks on the website, so things needed to move at a faster pace so I could get absolutely what was needed, which means diag was changed and condensed to get the gist of it and have it still make sense, it is an on the spot judgment call that every director must make at some time or another, in this case it happened quite often as it does on these no budget things.

I won’t even go into the next two episodes as it is pretty much the same reasoning.

Moving on to Michaels stuff, well must of Michaels stuff was pretty FX intensive, fist off I didn’t even think we could pull it off but he was aware of this and understood and help to re-write things when he had time. Malacks office for instance, we had a four hour window to shoot 13 pages......ask anyone who makes films if that even seems plausible...it really isn’t, camera set ups lighting, actors wardrobe changes, staging and blocking, too much to shoot too little time, but we did it. This was a one and only time location as they would only let us use it for this one day so if we didn’t get it we were screwed. We worked our butts off, but no one gives us thumbs up or says hey good job under the circumstances, 13 pages...amazing, and no all they want to talk about it what’s not in the episode, because they don’t understand. Don’t make me quote G.I. Joe here. Not to mention I had to pick my son up half way through shooting and leave a very important scene up to Jeremia to pull off which he did beautifully, but just another bump in the road we had to deal with on set, that wasn’t written in the script but it happened and it needed to be dealt with.

In some of his other scripts, we changed things cause well we lost Joe Amos (thank god) (by the way that was another major factor in the diag changes in your scripts, either I change it cause he didn’t know his lines or I rework them to make since with what he is capable of, or can it all and go home, on set decisions that can not be foreseen) we lost the Gary (guy playing the van driver) so we needed to change things, it had to be done no choice, we had to kill Joe off to make things make sense and we had to bring another character in to move the story. Now with the last episode not only did we almost get arrested 3 times but I also broke my ankle shooting the scene where plantared gets wiped out by the twister, not only were we not able to pull off half of the effects for that episode we didn’t get a chance to even shoot half of it cause the cops where on to us, I WOULD NOT BE RESPONSABLE for getting everyone arrested for B&E or trespassing, the first day we shot we just thought it was an old abandoned building, the second day we were stopped halfway through and the third day were damn near arrested and told very forcibly during a pat down never to come back, we complied. other things that happened was there were supposed to be two other characters that stand out side with Morgan and some fx stuff that happen, we couldn’t cast the two extra roles in time, everyone we knew was too young to be a group member, including the guy that played plantard but his attitude played it off I think, also the actor playing plantard did not show up to the second shoot so guess you had to die his hair and act in his place and break his ankle doing so also while directing and blocking it and staging and shooting cause it was me and Shoni, I wouldn’t let anyone else go back to the location to get arrested so we snuck in and did what we had to do, when shoni pushed me down on the second take I broke my ankle slipping on some water as it had been raining and the floor leaked, since it was an old military where house the floors were epoxy and very slick. I still went on to do 4 more takes of that shot, and finish the rest of the scenes needed to make the episode work at the very least. And hobbled around the warehouse dodging the cops as they came lurking, I have some funny footage of shoni ducking around out of sight from the cops.

Ok I have said too much......and I will not say it again or even carry on this conversation Raven, if you are unhappy I am truly sorry, but I did the best I could, and I think we made a kick @ss show that allot of people liked. I could give you a 101 reasons why things did not go to plan but I don’t think it would make a difference, however I did give you a glance up above which I am sure you will still have problems with so with that said, this is my last explanation I hope it works for you as an understanding and allows you to feel content that the best possible care was taken with your material in the time and circumstances we were faced with.

I love you Raven you have been great but I really think these posts you have been posting have been uncalled for and unprofessional and should have been discussed privately if you still had problem you needed to work out.

Take care and good luck.


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WOW....what a ride!

Thank you for explaining things so openly and publicly, so that everyone understands what's going on.

I'm sorry if my interest in giving Michael the credit he is so deserving of has caused you stress.

Sit back, and congradulate yourself on a job well done! :Congrats:

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Malacks office for instance, we had a four hour window to shoot 13 pages......ask anyone who makes films if that even seems plausible...it really isn’t, camera set ups lighting, actors wardrobe changes, staging and blocking, too much to shoot too little time, but we did it.

Whooooo ! O_O

Jason, you're my god. :notworthy:

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