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[Guest fledgling666]

as far as i have heard, Diabetes has nothing to do with meat intake, only sugars. type one and type two deal with the amount of insulin the body can produce and make you either metabolize too quickly the amount of sugar in the body or too slowly, depending on which type. i am not sure which type does which, and i always get them backwards. i am wondering if there is a significant amount of sugar in beef to cause your friend to eat this way. there is definitely fat, which can turn into sugar, to some extent, but fat is mostly protiens, i thought........?

[Guest SouthernCelt]

as far as i have heard, Diabetes has nothing to do with meat intake, only sugars. type one and type two deal with the amount of insulin the body can produce and make you either metabolize too quickly the amount of sugar in the body or too slowly, depending on which type. i am not sure which type does which, and i always get them backwards. i am wondering if there is a significant amount of sugar in beef to cause your friend to eat this way. there is definitely fat, which can turn into sugar, to some extent, but fat is mostly protiens, i thought........?

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Well, when you develop the diabetes condition, you find out that things you thought you knew aren't necessarily the way things are.

Briefly, there are two kinds -- Type 1 (used to be called juvenile diabetes) that is caused by the pancreas failing to produce the required amount of insulin to enable sugar metabolization, and Type 2 (used to be called adult-onset diabetes) that is caused by the cells becoming unable to utilize the insulin that's available. I have Type 2 which is treatable by oral medication at least for now. The problem with Type 2 is that it is progressive and, after a number of years, the pancreas decides your body just doesn't appreciate all its hard work making insulin and begins to shut down. When that happens, insulin has to be injected and oral medication taken to push the cells into using it.

Diet is important to control intake of sugars (carbohydrates) that become glucose after digestion. The problem with fats is the result of the liver, in an attempt to maximize sugar in response to chemical signals from the cells saying "FEED ME" converting fats to sugars after all the carbs are used up (which won't occur in non-diabetics but will cause increased body fat that can later help precipitate diabetes). For most patients with Type 2, the oral medications involve an insulin use enhancer, a liver-function suppressant for the fat conversion control, and a cholesterol drug. Occasionally, patients with mild Type 2 can get by on diet alone if they're only slightly diabetic; however, the disease is progressive so ultimately oral meds and later insulin will be needed.

Does that clear any of this up?

[Walkabout]

As I remember my biology [ many moons ago] the process of digestion and the absorbtion of nutrients and water is a very complex inter-related system. When one part is 'out of wack' as in Diabetes it affects the entire process. Therefore EVERYTHING you eat [protein, carbs, fats, fiber] must be monitored to achieve a balance and a near normal digestion/absorbtion process. I know several Diabetics [both types] and have a distant family history of type 2 all of which became type 1 as they aged. So far my only trouble is with hypoglycemia.

[Archer]

as far as i have heard, Diabetes has nothing to do with meat intake, only sugars. type one and type two deal with the amount of insulin the body can produce and make you either metabolize too quickly the amount of sugar in the body or too slowly, depending on which type. i am not sure which type does which, and i always get them backwards. i am wondering if there is a significant amount of sugar in beef to cause your friend to eat this way. there is definitely fat, which can turn into sugar, to some extent, but fat is mostly protiens, i thought........?

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I think he eats salad all the time to loose weight. He just jokes around all the time saying my Wendy's late night diet will kill me. I just like to have fun and offer him lots of suger doughnuts and stuff, but due to his foreseen circumstances he says no.

I think what he is saying is if you have diabetes you have to watch your diet and weight.

I could be wrong I'm not very educated in this topic.

[Guest SouthernCelt]

I think what he is saying is if you have diabetes you have to watch your diet and weight.

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You got it! The main advantage of salads is that typical salad veggies -- lettuce, carrots, broccoli, etc. -- are low in carbohydrates but high in fiber, vitamins and water so you aid digestion while retarding the intake of things that will contribute to sugar formation. Also fibrous foods mitigate the speed at which the carbohydrates are converted to glucose and therefore moderates the speed at which the glucose enters the blood stream.

To perhaps help get us back to the original topic (we're way off right now) let me close this medical program with the following credits:

We hope you enjoyed this week's installment on What Ails Ya? entitled "Diabetics -- What Vampires Have for Dessert." Tune in again next week for our program "Arterial Blockage -- Why You Feel Like S**t All the Time" when we'll hear lovely Pantywad Powhatan (who was rescued from a life of depravity in a reservation casino) ask her fiance, Droopy Drawers Draper, "If you feel half as bad as you look, you must be dying; is your life insurance paid up?" Join us then for another thrilling case study of patient medical investigation. (Cases dramatized on this program are not based on any real living persons but may depict a few that are dead now. No qualified medical doctors were harmed or even consulted in the production of this show.)

What Ails Ya? is a production of the Center for Ridiculous Absurd Parody (CRAP) Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of WHAT?-TV, licensed by the FCC for operation in any of the contiguous US that hasn't banished us. In an effort to bring you quality television at the lowest possible cost, CRAP employs for its dramatizations only neophitic thespians from the Shelter for Homeless, Jobless, and Otherwise Idle Persons. (A gallon of Mogen David dinner wine sure beats the heck out of SAG scale.) This program is copyright CRAP sometime last week.

This program is based on an original concept dramatized in works performed by a theater troupe named (we think) Tonty Boa Constrictor and the Blowing-in-the-wind Bacchanal and aired by one of those European networks (B-something or other).

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[Archer]

SouthernCelt,

Thank you for the validation and great information you have provided.

[Walkabout]

SouthernCelt,

Thank you for the validation and great information you have provided.

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DITTO!!

[Gunslinger]

But do Archer's McDonald's Brigade really look like the apocalyptic prophecy

types? They look like truckers in bad suits. 

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thats what they are supposed to look like, about a zillion degrees and hours of experience btwn all of those guys, low profile also, unlimited financial resources, wonder who is on the executive board of directors?

[Walkabout]

But they are all retired with nice petions... ya think they could get a new wardrobe...